Allyson Pollock appeared on Radio 5 live on Saturday 10th January debating the recent news stories about excessive demand on the NHS.
She responded by outlining how the real story is that the 2012 Health and Social Act has resulted in the break up of the NHS, wasting money on commercial interests.
You can hear the full debate on the Radio 5 live site here. The interview begins at 2:40:18.